What No One Tells You About Job Interviews

Today I wanna talk to you about job interviews and how to conduct yourself in job interviews. Because I have had the opportunity to be on the other side of a few job interviews recently within the past year at my company and for this program that I did. And it made me realize that

This is the type of episode that I would have loved to hear before while in college, but like also now, like I think this type of episode and this type of content about like how to conduct yourself in job interviews is so beneficial. And I don't think there's a lot of things like that that are talking about how to act in job interviews, especially for like this time considering that

Most job interviews aren't conducted by like going into an office building and clicking the 150th floor and like walking up and straightening your tie and being like, hello, like I'm here to see Mr. Blah. And like you're not walking into some high rise building in New York City anymore for a job interview. You're most likely going from your bathroom after you just took a shit and walking to your desk, turning on your zoom and being like, hi, I'm Josh. Nice to meet you. Like that's how the that's the reality of most job interviews now.

And that's just like how it is. That's what the new world is after COVID and just like, it's just easier to do job interviews that way or do anything that way. So I think like most things have, have turned out to be that. And I think like there is an etiquette to that, that we don't really talk about that isn't really talked about that I've noticed it needs to be. like, I would love to hear.

this type of thing and I think it's important to share this so if you know somebody going through the job interview process or they're about to or they're recently out of a job or they're recently looking for a new job or if that's you but like if that if you know somebody like that share this with a friend send it to them because I think this will be really helpful for anybody and I'm gonna try and structure this episode with like my advice in terms of like what to do and what not to do for job interviews

Josh Felgoise (02:40.697)

And I'm gonna miss some things. gonna definitely have more to say in this after I do it. I know that some more things are gonna come up in the next coming months because I'm gonna be in this process myself too. And I think being on the other side that I'm currently on right now and then being on the side of the interviewer and the interviewee, they're two completely separate sides.

And I think I have a unique perspective right now that I want to share. then hopefully in the coming months, I'll have another perspective to share about it too. but share this with a friend or share this with anybody that's in that process right now or about to embark on that process. Cause I think they're really appreciated. And I think I have some things that will be helpful or some advice to share that I think will like contribute to your interview process, hopefully. So I'm really excited about this one because

I don't think people talk enough about how to act in interviews and this is kind of like a how to prep yourself for an interview but also like a little bit of like a pep talk for interviews too. It'll have all of this in here and so let's get into it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hold you any longer. I'm not gonna waste any more of your time. I just wanted to share with you like what I've learned from interviewing people so far and this process and like

what I think have been some highlights and some lowlights and just like the things I think will that will bring you to the next round of interview versus the things that might make somebody think twice about moving you forward because at the end of the day we're competing against so many people who are just like us and

most likely interviewers or hiring teams or whoever your HR teams, whoever you're interviewing with or for is interviewing so many different people that like you kind of get pushed into that pool of people and it's hard to stand out and it's hard to be unique and like distinct. And I think I'm going to tell you some things in here that will help you do that and help you determine your distinct qualities or narratives.

Josh Felgoise (04:55.091)

Or you will then figure them out based on what I say here, because we don't even think about that part of it either. Like we don't think about the fact that we're supposed to stand out. We just think about like, how do I answer this question? Then this, then this, then this. And like, how do I get through this thing? Like, how do I get on here for 30 minutes? Try and look good, try and be impressive. And then like hope to hear back. Like I think there are things within the interview within the 30 minutes that you can do to make yourself stand out, to make yourself like, yeah, stand out from the crowd is the right.

term and I'm going to categorize these things as turn offs and turn ons because I think that's more fun than like highlights and low lights or things that make you better and things that don't or the things that get you farther than things that won't. So turn offs and turn ons and I'm going to talk about like a ton of different things that I've seen that I've done myself that like I think we can all take into our next interview into the next process that we do and

I believe the interview. Oh, wait, just one more thing. Sorry. I know I said I would start a little bit. The one more caveat to all of this is that like, feel like the interview process happens when you're ne you're never ready for it. Like I feel like this always happens when you're least prepared or you least expect it that like, because at the end of the day, it's really hard to prepare. It's really hard to like get yourself ready for this mode or this like, fuck, now I have to do 10 interviews. Hopefully that will lead to

two that get me to the next round or three to get me to the next round and then I have to do more interviews with that person and more interviews with that team. And it's hard to remember that like you just really have to be yourself because that version of you is going to shine so much brighter than the version that you think you're supposed to be in an interview. the version where you are acting like yourself and you're answering questions like a real human being and

you're bringing your personality to the forefront instead of what you think they want you to say or they want to hear. Like I just did one recently where this kid answered a question and he was like, I love that thing. And he like talked about it like that. And I could tell he was super passionate about this one thing. And that felt like so much more personality than the first couple questions when he answered it. And he was like,

Josh Felgoise (07:10.571)

Yeah, so this, this and this and this and like I could tell that was a prepared answer. I could tell that he was picked. He was going back through his head of the couple things that he wanted to say. Like he had his three to five bullet points that he wanted to get across in this interview. And to me, the part that was so much better and the part that I remember more was when I got him to something else that he really like talked about because he was passionate about it and not because he thought I wanted to hear that thing.

if that makes sense. Like he was really very honest and like real and personable about this one thing. And the other stuff was like the bullet points on his resume that he thought he had to hit because that's what we're taught. Like we're taught that you have to hit these couple things and like, like they want to hear about your most recent experience and this thing and this thing and this thing and show the progress and show the upward motion and the upward movement, which is true, like which they definitely do want to see. But I think you will.

stand out more from the pack when you bring in your personality and you bring in your real self to the interview. And the interview starts before you know it because as I said, most interviews are now on zoom or on Google meet and that's harder but also easier because you have more of an opportunity to like prepare and not be as nervous because

Interviews are always nerve-racking. Like, you are going to be nervous going into this thing no matter what. Meeting somebody new, having to present yourself, you want to get your points out, you want to be presentable, you want to be professional, you want to stand out, like all of these things. That's going to make you anxious and nervous leading up the night before going into it, all of the things. And that's understandable. And I think every interviewer understands that too, that like, this is a nerve-racking scenario that you have to go in.

But I personally think it is so much easier to interview online than in person. Although like I would think I would rather be in person because they can get to know me more. And what I'm saying by like the interview starts before you even know it, you have an opportunity to bring yourself to the interview before it starts. So like when they turn on the camera, and I'm talking specifically about interviews on Zoom or online right now,

Josh Felgoise (09:30.135)

When you turn on the camera, the interview starts. So whenever they get to the zoom room or the Google meet room, whatever the fuck you want to call it, whatever virtual room you prefer that that they prefer and you're there like the interview has started. So if you're slouched over or if you're like looking at something on your computer or your resume and you're clicking out or you're clicking through and you're like, one second. Sorry. Like, let me just close this out and all this. but then you're fine. You're typing like the interview has started. Like you are already

trying to present yourself in the best way. So don't do any of that. So don't be clicking out of windows. Don't be having your resume up on the side of the interview. Like maybe even make the interview the entire screen to get rid of all the distractions. Click the do not disturb button on your computer. Like take these 30 minutes and let everything else go because now you're in a conversation and that's what you want this to be. You want this to be a conversation. You want it to almost be like you're

talking to a boss or a mentor or a professor or somebody that you want to be presentable in front of but you can also bring your human self to like it's not the extent of talking to a friend because you're not gonna be like fuck shit fuck like you're not gonna like let curse words fly and you're not gonna be like a total dumbass as some of us would to our friends I would be to my friends like you're it's a different level of like chill and it doesn't matter because this is my friend I can say whatever I want and like

It's okay because we've developed that type of relationship like you don't know this person. So you definitely want to Be an elevated level of that but you also want to bring some of that too and not the elements room like saying you're cursing and like saying all this shit like the elements where you can tell that this person is fun and personable and a good person to be around because a lot of jobs want you also as

yourself like they want to see who you'll be in an office or who you'll be around your co-workers and how you'll act with people and how you'll communicate and how you'll talk to people and they know that you're not gonna say like sally like i i think that you might have made a mistake on this one thing and i think you could like they know you're gonna be like hey sally like this thing is messed up and like i would appreciate if you could fix this or like let me know what you need me to do to help you like

Josh Felgoise (11:48.48)

They want to see that side where your guard is a little bit down. And I guess I shouldn't be the same like they as like a Royal they, because I don't know every single interviewer, but I'm, this is my advice. This is what I think would be beneficial and would help us all. Like I also had my friend read on my old roommate read on he's been on twice. He's one of the only two guests has been on twice. And we did a whole episode about moving out together, but I also sat down with him and asked him about his interview process because he interviewed for like, he applied to like 50 companies.

and interviewed for a ton of them. And he wasn't getting past the first round. And he'd be fine if I said this lecture, let me just text him and make sure he's okay if I said this. No, he's been on here before. think he doesn't he said it himself. So there was a couple interviews that he didn't get past the first round. Because and I like sat with him and he was like, I can't get past the first round. Like, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Like, why is this not working? Like,

And I was like, right, let me like, let's role play the interview. Let's like see, let me be the interviewer and you be you. And let me ask you the questions. And I asked him a couple of questions and he had the answers so prepared to a precise, like the breath was the same, like the, the intonation was the exact same. He had everything so rigid and so prepared and so robotic.

that it felt like there was no human element to it. Like he was so over prepared that he totally lost the personal side to it. And I think there is a balance that a lot of us need to learn how to strike, myself included. I think it's really hard. And looking back at my previous interview process, there's definitely been some where I just like get red in the face and I'm like, hi, nice to meet you. Like there are definitely those moments, but there are also some where I felt like I've learned more and I've gotten.

more into my groove. And when you're thrust into this new process, anytime, like you're going to have those couple where you have to figure it out again, and you have to get back into your groove. But he was in this, this like, time in his interviews, where he was so robotic and so rigid, that his advice, he came on here and said, he's like, actually spoke to like an interview coach, and they had the exact same advice. And when he told me he was like, yeah, they said I was robotic. I was like,

Josh Felgoise (14:02.026)

That is what I said. And like, you could have paid me the hundred dollars that you paid this person to tell you that. Like I told you that without the coach. And he was like, yeah, I know. But like coming from that person, it's way different. And I was like, no, that's very fair. I get it. I totally get it. And the person basically told him like, you need to be more human. Like you need to bring that more personable side to your interviews that like I'm seeing when we're in conversation. But when I'm asking you the questions, you completely lose. Like it completely goes away because you have these structured answers. You have what you think.

They want you to say in your head so you're saying that. And I think so many of us have an idea of what the interviewer or what the company wants you to say and the answer they have that like formulaic least fits into the mold that they want for the job and blah. Like that's not the case. They want I really think they want to see who you are and they want to get to know you and they want to see if you would be the right fit for the company in the role and have the abilities and

have the strengths and can like fight the weaknesses that you have and grow and all that shit and that all starts from the beginning like if you're looking around if you're looking around the room and you're like fidgeting with your shirt and you're like looking up and down and you're looking around and you can't make eye contact like those are all things that I think factor into whether they say it or not factor into an interview so

If you're sitting upright and you're getting to an interview and you're like, hi, it's so nice to meet you. Like, thanks for taking the time. Something like that as like an introduction to like, hi, I'm Josh. Nice to meet you. Something really simple, easy, like something that feels normal. It's almost like you're shaking somebody's hand. Like that should be how you start. I also think I want to just quickly say like, I think a white button down or a blue button down. I don't think you have to wear a tie and I don't think you have to wear a blazer. Like if you want to please feel free. Like you should be.

comfortable, but you should be professional. Like obviously you're not wearing a t-shirt. I don't think a sweater. Like I really think you should wear a button down for an interview. It's like, what would you wear if you had to walk up to the 150th floor of the New York city skyscraper and walk in and say, hi, I'm Josh. here to meet with Mr. Chow. Like how would you be dressed for that? I think that's what you should wear on the zoom. So if that's a tie, that's a tie. whatever, like look good, feel good. I think that matters here.

Josh Felgoise (16:26.315)

Just a quick side note, brush your hair, just look professional. I also think background matters. if you're, I don't think, I really am not a fan of the blurred zoom backgrounds, it's over your head, almost, if you ever showed your phone to the camera, it would be blurred out. I don't like the blurred background look. I think we could all do a little bit better than that. I think you could just find an area of your apartment or your home or wherever you are, your school.

And if it's like a white wall, that's totally fine. it's, just, if there's like a piece of art, that's fine. Just make it presentable. Just the overarching note there is just like be presentable. Just find a spot where like you can show what's behind you. So like obviously not your toilet, not your bed. Like just an area of your room that looks clean and looks like some, like you'd be okay with bringing that interviewer to that spot.

Yeah, I just want to like double click on that double click. Who am I like some corporate speak? The interview starts from when you enter the room. The ending and the beginning matter just as much as the context. I think like if you're ending it by being like, thank you so much. Like I would love to hear what the next steps are. And like I really appreciate really appreciate your time. That all matters, too. Like it's all how you're conducting yourself in the room.

how you introduce yourself, how you enter a room and how you exit a room. All of that matters and those are the pieces or the moments that we don't think about a lot of the time or we're not taught to think about or no one reminds us to think about. So all of that I think is really important. I also think that you should definitely send a follow-up email to the interviewer. Like this should be practice. This should be something that you do every single time you have an interview. Send them

Let's call him Ben. Hi Ben. Like thank you so much for the time today I really appreciated hearing about the way your team works on this project and I really look forward to hearing the next steps of this process Thank you again and best Josh like it's as simple as that obviously you're gonna fill in that like your team in the process like the X like

Josh Felgoise (18:43.924)

Hi Ben, thanks so for time today. I really appreciated hearing about blank X like you're going to fill that in with something from the interview. So remember something that happened. Don't fully black out. Like remember one thing or one moment, something he said, something that she said, something that they, whoever, whoever the interviewer is, whatever they said, remember just like one moment that stuck out to you and point that out in the email. That is a good practice to get into. Like I out of the people that I interviewed, I only got like two follow up emails. And I think that is

That should be customary. think it makes you stand out from the pack. And I think that should be something that you remember to do. Like if you leave without anything else that I hear, if you leave hearing nothing else I said today, have it be that. There's a couple things. I think some things I said here are valuables, but like really bring that with you to your interview process wherever you go. The next thing is don't have the interviewer ask you follow up questions.

So make sure that your answer is completely fleshed out or flushed out. I don't know that I just make sure that the interviewer like doesn't have to be like, and why was that or and what did that lead to and or like and how did that change? Like how did you change your process moving forward from there? Or what did you learn about that experience? Like make sure your answer has that in it. So like

Here's a good example. Like I worked on this project that initially like if let's say the question is give me an example of a time where you maybe failed or messed up and like what you learned from that experience. You don't want them to have to then be like and what did you learn from that or like how did you then how did that lead you to change in the future? Like you want to be able to be like I messed up this thing and I learned this and this from that experience.

And then when I got the opportunity to do that again, I was able to apply the learning from that experience and change it by doing this. Like you don't want them to have to follow up. So you want them to be able to go to the next question feeling like you answered it fully. And that's something that I think we can all work on. Like even in meetings with our in work, like having somebody have to ask a follow-up question, I think makes you feel a little less professional or a little less prepared.

Josh Felgoise (21:02.045)

So this is something that I think takes practice, takes time, takes learning, but try your best to when you answer the question, answer it fully, thoughtfully and clearly. Don't be long-winded in your answer. Like that is a big turnoff. If you are going on and on and on, and we've gotten to the point where it is a four minute answer to a question and they're like, ugh, like.

and you're being like, you're like, I just had so much, know I just word vomited onto you and you're covered in puke and what's your next question? Like don't continue on and on and drone on and on. If you feel like you're getting to that place, wrap it up, like wrap that shit up. Make sure that you're not going on and on. And I know I just said two things that can seem contradictory. Like I said one thing, like make sure you answer the question fully and clearly and.

can say it concisely like those things are at odd sometimes like that is a battle those having an answer that is fully thought through and fully thoughtful and also concise and not four minutes long is hard and that those two things are at odds but get better at that like that is something that we can all work on and and like straight up just work on that thing work on having an answer that you are

clear in and you've said everything you want to say that is not four or five minutes like nothing should be that long and you should never have to feel like you're like, like, I just said so much and I'm exhausted from what I just said because I know I just said so much and they're gonna be like, okay, what are your three weaknesses and what are your three strengths and you're like, okay, here we go again, let me talk for another 15 minutes and now my like I need water like my throat is I have no you know, like

You know when you're doing that. We all know when we're doing that and we have all done it. So work on that is another piece of advice. Another thing that I think is a turn off and I know I said I would organize this is like turn ons and turn offs and I just only used turn off for the first time 25 minutes in. Make sure you're not like overconfident. Like don't state that you're confident all the time.

Josh Felgoise (23:18.599)

Don't bring that energy into the interview where you are like, I am confident that I will succeed in this role. Like I know for a fact that I am, I am confident, I am good, I am like strong, am like, there is a way to balance overconfidence that there's a way to balance confidence. Like confidence can also lead into like arrogance or pompousness that like it gets to be a little bit too much at times. And there's a middle ground to confidence. There's a middle ground to it.

where you can speak clearly and prove that you are good at what you do without having to state that you are good at what you do. So have that confidence come through in explaining your experience or explaining your job or explaining a project you worked on. Like that will prove confidence more than you saying it and more than you like making sure the interviewer knows that you are confident and knows that you are good.

I think that can be a turn off. Do not read off of your notes. Like do not click over to your resume and be like, let me talk about this thing. I mean, like if somebody asked you a question, like walk, walk me through your most recent experience or explain to me how you were beneficial to the company in your most recent experience.

don't click over to your resume or be like reading off of your notes. They know, like it is so obvious when someone's reading off of their notes, especially if you're wearing glasses, like that shit shines. Like you can see the reflection, that's neither here nor there, but like do not read off of your notes. Don't have your resume up. I wouldn't even have like a couple notes. Like you are prepared going into this and I know you're gonna prepare going into this and that is the best you can do.

and you're gonna have your couple, I don't know, maybe you can have a little sticky note of a couple things that you wanna discuss on, like with three separate words of like, you wanna hit on this, this, and this, and that's totally fine. But don't be like, oh, let me go over to this experience. Okay, so what I did in this one is this. Like, that is a rudimentary thing that should be clearly a big fucking X, like X factor, like do not read off your resume.

Josh Felgoise (25:33.315)

Couple turn-ons because I've only said things not to do so let me let me make this more positive and go to the positive side of things that I think are really good and things that I've seen people do speak Speaking slowly as as I just speak a mile a fucking minute. That's why I laughed Speaking slowly with confidence behind what you are saying I think is such a turn-on in an interview that now it sounds a little weird Maybe maybe I shouldn't have said turn-offs and turn-ons, but whatever here we are

I think speaking slowly is a huge sign of confidence and a huge sign that you know exactly what you're doing and you know what you're talking about. When you speak like that versus when you're like, well, thank you. Like speak slowly because you know what you want to say and that makes it sound like you actually know what you're saying.

Versus you're trying to come up with a ton of different things in your head and you're trying to just like get to the next question The next one is saying that's a really good question. Can I take a second to think about that? Wow Like whoa, that is a turn-on when someone says can I think about that for a second? Like can let me can I take a second thing like sorry about that? That's a really good question. Can I take a second to think about that? That is not a bad thing at all. In fact, it is

so much better to do that than be like, well, that's really good question. And I think because of this and this and this and like, oh wait, actually, can I take that back? And can I actually answer that a different way? Like if you take a second, gather your thoughts, get together what you wanna say, like your brain is gonna go in a couple different directions. You're like, I could go down this avenue or this avenue or this avenue. But instead, if you're like, let me take a second and think about that. And you're like, okay, I think that and you pick.

the middle ground because you think that's the best way to answer this question. Like that is so much more solid than being like actually can I rephrase that or can I take that back and do just take a second, take a beat again. This is a nervous environment. This is an inherently anxious environment to have to be in and the interviewer understands that having saying can I take a second to think about that is a massive turn on. I think most interviewers will be like, yeah, absolutely. Like totally take your time.

Josh Felgoise (27:58.213)

And then I think another huge turn on is is having two to three questions at the end when they say, do you have any questions for me? And the person's like, no, but and thank you so much. No. What do you mean? No. Come up with something like have at least two questions to ask them. I think the best thing to say.

is following up on something they asked or asking something, something they maybe said in the interview or asking about their experience or how they've found success in the role or what they've learned at the job or what you should know about the job that would lead you to find success. Like anything like that, I think is a really good, strong question. Like if you're like,

What should I know about the company or the team or the role that would lead me to find the most success in this role? Whoa, I just thought of that on the spot. Like that's fucking awesome. That would be like, I think I would put you through or someone would put you through for just asking that question or be like, what would be helpful for me to know going into this role potentially? Or how have you found success in this role? Or can you please tell me about a recent project that you worked on and

How was it successful or can you share a recent project that you're really excited about or can you share an upcoming project if it's not private or secret that you could tell me about and that you're excited about like any of that that you're talking about the thing that the person is actually working on I think is a huge turn on is a great question to ask like those questions will get you really far and I think that's what I'm saying by like

The beginning and the end of the interview are just as important as the stuff you say in the middle. Like, if you come swinging with a couple, like, fucking home run questions, that leaves the person with a really good impression of you because they're gonna remember how you leave just as well as how you started or how you flustered in the middle. Like, it all doesn't matter at the end.

Josh Felgoise (30:05.273)

as long as you feel confident and you look confident and you're acting confident and you ask good questions and you say good things, which is much easier said than done and I thought that as I was saying that, but have two or three questions like that that will leave a really good impression and leave a really good mark on the interviewer. Another good one is like, and just a good thing to say at the end is just like, is there anything else I should know about this process or like what are the next steps in this process?

I think that's always really good to say and you're totally like at will to pick your own questions, but definitely come with a couple things. And I think that will make the interviewer and the interview feel better too. Like when it feels more like a conversation and not an interview, when you're at the point where you're, you can even ask a follow-up by the way, like.

You can do what you want with this time. Like if they say, if you ask them about their experience and you're genuinely interested, which they can tell by the way, like if you're really genuinely interested in what they just said or their answer to the question, feel free to ask a follow-up to that question. doesn't, you don't have to be like, can I ask one more question about that? Just ask it. Like have it be a conversation. If they have to go, if the time's running long, they'll tell you. People are pretty like rigid about that. And if it's getting to a point where they're like, I have to go.

they won't answer the question, but let them do that. Like you're not overstepping, you're not doing any of that by asking a follow-up. So if they tell you about a experience they had or a project they're working on or something they're excited about and you're like, that's so cool. how, how does that relate to like your team's like overall goal or like what, how would my role potentially like help in that project or what could I do to help in that project? This, this new role you're hiring for like,

Whoa, that's a great way to follow up. That's a real conversation. And you feel like a coworker and not this like foreign object that they're like, you're just floating in space. Like you feel like somebody you're having a real conversation with. Like that's professional. That's cool. So bring that energy to it and don't be afraid to ask follow ups or like even throughout the interview, don't be afraid to ask questions back and have this be a conversation. I think that makes you feel like you're miles ahead than other candidates and makes you stand out too.

Josh Felgoise (32:18.667)

Couple other things I want to leave you with I said a lot about don't be so rigid and I want to make sure that point is is really hit like do what you can to get out of the headspace or mindset that like This experience is tied to that question and they are going to ask me about the strengths and the weaknesses and have three exact things for that and I want to hit this this and this and this like if you keep it Conversational if you are not so robotic

It will go over better if you're not like, have to say this. I want to make sure they hear this. Like I ha I think if they hear this, they're going to really like that. That's going to don't get your like underwear in a twist with all of the things that you have to do and all the things you have to say. Like just, just be yourself, be professional, be engaged, be genuine. Start to learn to think on your feet. Like

There are going to be moments in the interview where you are caught off guard, where they ask you a question that you do not have the answer to and you were not prepared for because you cannot prepare for everything they're going to say. And they're going to throw a couple like wrenches your way and they're going to throw some things that you are not expected to answer or the things you like. Well, they, didn't know they were asked that like, yeah, of course it's interview. They can ask you whatever the fuck they want, but like be prepared to think on your feet and get better at that. Like get better at being like,

more in like a flow state and make it a conversation. And if that comes up, you're more than welcome to be like, that's a really good question. Can I think about that and answer it in any way, or form that relates to it. like, if you don't know the answer to that question, like that's okay too. And it'll come across that you don't know in the interview, but like, don't think that that question and that like missed answer.

means you're out of a job and means you didn't get it and means you're not like there is still so much time left the interview you still came in great and you had a couple great things in the beginning and you still have to finish strong like don't let that throw you off so much like don't let that one question and we always tend to think about like the way like like the bad thing we tend to pick up on the one moment that was bad and like amplify that in our heads

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If there's one moment, one question, one thing that you aren't sure about and you come across as unsure, that's probably two minutes in a 30 minute interview. The 28 other minutes still have the potential to be great and maybe they were great, but we leave with those two minutes being like, fuck, like I couldn't answer that question well enough and like, ugh, like that does not define the whole interview. So don't let it in your head.

You may not be that confident about the job or every single thing in the job description and like, well, I just did this job and like, I don't know if everything I learned at this job is going to apply to that job. And I don't know how I'm going to do all of this and it's going to be a big learning and I'm nervous about it. And I don't know how the new dynamics going to work. like, I don't know why, how I'm going to do this. Like all of those doubts, all of those worries are all so normal. And I think every person has them. We just don't say them out loud. Like we just

keep them in our heads, unfortunately, but like, I really think everybody has those same doubts and concerns about every new experience. In the interview, now is not the time to show that, like, just have confidence in yourself, at least a little bit, or fake it until you make it, and get excited about the possibility or the potential of this role, like,

If that means you have to jump up and down and put on your favorite hype song before the interview, because like that'll get you in a more like flowy mood that'll get you more excited. Like I do that before some podcasts sometimes where I'll put on like a song that I really like and just like dance it out, like jump up and down. That is great. Like get that out. It's scientifically proven by something by someone. I choked. It is scientifically proven by something or someone to.

actually make us less nervous. I had on a public speaking coach a while ago, her name was Megan Grano, and she like talked about the science behind getting it out, dancing it out, doing some pushups, like doing something before the interview to get yourself less nervous and less anxious. And that will help you, I think, find that confidence again, because you're going to be nervous going into it, but you are in the room. It's most likely a virtual room, but you are in the room and you got there for a reason.

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So make sure that you believe that too and don't let all those doubts and those worries and those concerns creep in. Like make the most of the room that you got yourself into. You will stand out so much more if they can tell that you believe what you're actually saying. And I'm not saying to lie about your experiences and your abilities, but like I am saying this is your time to sound like you know what you're talking about. This is your time to at least

Be confident in what you've learned and in your experiences and what you can bring to the table and what you can bring to the team. Have questions for them, send a follow-up, and be confident. Like, this is your time to show them who you are, and that starts from right when enter the room, and it ends when you leave the room. It actually, ends after you send the follow-up email. Like, all of that time is your time to make an impression or leave a mark on this person.

And I guarantee you can do it. I really do believe, even throw on this episode before your next interview, listen, like have me in your ear giving you this kind of pep talk of like the do's and don'ts, the turn-ons and turn-offs, like the things that I think you should watch out for and the things I think you should do. But overall, like, what you should do is be confident in who you are and in your abilities and in your experiences. The rest of it, you know what not.

to do and don't do the things that you know not to do. Like don't try and sneak in the you know, I don't even have to go into all of it. Like I just did 42 minutes so I don't have to continue going into it. But like I really think that these environments are really stressful and it's so easy to get in your head about it. And if you come off as somebody that's in your head, that's like nervous and anxious and like all of that can set you back so much more.

than the things you can do to like set yourself forward. Sit up straight, be excited about the opportunity and the potential. Leave your mark, leave your stamp on the table and make sure that they know who you are and what you can bring. As somebody that's gotten to be on the other side of it, I think it's a really unique perspective and opportunity I've even had to see how it is and be able to even draw these critiques and these criticisms because

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That is a side that like we don't really get to see a lot and it's like a side we don't like hear talked about a lot either. And like that's not to say that I don't get on there and make the same mistakes or I don't get on there and flub a question and then end up thinking about that question that I flubbed for the rest of the day. Like I am no better than anything I just said on here and I've made all of these mistakes before. But I have learned a lot from the interviews I've done, the interviews I've gotten to conduct.

And if you learn from what you've done and the mistakes you've made, like that's kind of all you can ask for. And I just wanted to add that in is like, I'm not to say that I'm like, I know better and I don't make these mistakes. Like I can get on an interview next week and still make the exact same mistake. Or I could get on the interview. Like I haven't even, I haven't like sat down to prepare for a job interview in a little while now, but I know how to have a conversation and I know the things I'm good at. And I know that the

the experiences I have and I can apply what I've done to any question asked of me. And I think that's the best thing that you can do to prepare yourself and get better at any of this. Like don't go through chat GPTs like top 10 questions that they're gonna ask you on a job interview. Maybe do if you haven't done this at all to start. Like maybe that's actually a thing to do. Maybe that's good advice. But like don't kill yourself trying to.

get every answer to every question and get them all down on paper and know that you're going to say all this and all that and like don't stress yourself out so much. Just be conversational, be personable and be genuine and I think that will get you so much further than the other side. That is the episode. Thank you so much listening to guys set a guy's guide to what should be talked about. I'm Josh. I'm 25 years old and I'm here every single week, every single Tuesday to talk about what should be talked about for guys in their twenties and beyond and younger.

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