When The Door Cracks Open

o I want to tell you about an event that I got invited to last week, which was through guyset, which is outrageous to say out loud that I got invited to something because of like what I post on social media and what I do here. And that's really crazy to say out loud. And the fact that I got to go is really cool. And I got invited like three weeks before that and

When I got the email, was just like, what? Like, that's crazy, that's cool, sure, I'll go to an event, I'll go to anything basically. Like, you can, I'll go to the opening of an envelope, I'll go to whatever. I was just excited to get invited to something. when I got that email, I was like, sure, absolutely, I'll go. And I'm not here to tell you about the, well, I'm gonna tell you about the event and some stuff that happened during it. But like, I more so wanna talk to you about my thought process and feelings around going to the event.

what I was thinking and feeling during it and after, because I think it relates to a lot of experiences that we all have in life, like a first day of work, or like the first time going to anything, the first time doing something new, which I haven't done in a while. And I think I've gotten really comfortable with what I am doing. And like with my current timeline of life, like with work, with my apartment, like I've just

had a lot of comfort recently and haven't had to step outside of my comfort zone and do something or be somewhere that I'm not super comfortable with. And this was my first time like back into that. And of course I've had those experiences before. Like I've had first days of work or first days of camp or first days of whatever the fuck before. But this felt like a very new experience to me going to a place where I knew nobody didn't know what to expect, didn't know what I was supposed to do, what I was supposed to say, like how I was supposed to act. And

I got really anxious before it and like kind of wanted to back out and all these different emotions kind of flooded me. So I'm gonna tell you all about that. So after I got that invitation, like life got in the way and invitation, it was an email, please, making it sound so dramatic. After I got that email from this brand, it was like a magazine and they were like, we want you to come and celebrate.

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the launch of this new thing and I was like, sure, yeah, fuck it, that sounds awesome, thanks so much for including me or thinking of me, how the hell did you find me and thanks. After I got that email, I totally forgot about it for two weeks because life got in the way and there were a hundred other thousand things to do, like work, life, I'm looking for new apartment, there's just a lot of other things that come in the way. And then I got another email reminder the day before and it was like, hey, can't wait to see you tomorrow and I was like, what? What are you talking about? Where am I supposed to be tomorrow? What do I have?

I started kind of like coming up with all these excuses as to why I couldn't go even though I was completely free and I like was trying to think of these reasons as to like why I could back out or like how early before I was should send that person email being like, like, like sick, like can't come because I started to get like really anxious about why I felt like a lot of imposters in general about like why they even wanted me go there in the first place and like who I was supposed to talk to, what I was supposed to do. And I was just like kind of coming up with all these ways to make it

not exciting in my head to kind of downplay the hurt of when I did decide not to go and like downplay it in my head to anybody else I talked to about it. And I'm really good at that, honestly, like I'm very good at like contorting my belief about something to make it either good or make it either bad. And I think that's like a power that every single person has all the time in terms of anything. Wow, fantastic sentence. That's like something we can do all the time.

with different things. I said the same thing twice. And it was, they were both, they both made no sense. What I'm trying to say is that like, we have the power to make something exciting, even if it's not, and we also have the power to make something unexciting or unenjoyable or like act like we're not interested in it if we don't want to be. And like we have that choice at any given time. I think that makes sense. And I was excited about it at first and then I kind of talked myself down and started like downplaying it.

to kind of make like the, I don't know, guess like the hurt of not going to this thing easier. And yeah, like I just got unexcited and was thinking about like how to get out of this commitment and this thing that I agreed to because of these nerves, honestly, like the nerves of going to an event alone where I don't know anybody. And I think for the most part, I'm a pretty confident person. And I think I give off pretty confident energy a lot of the time.

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especially on here, like, I don't know, actually I can't tell, because I, maybe not, but I do think for the most part I am pretty confident and really outgoing and like I will be comfortable going up to anybody and saying hi, and I did at the event, I'll tell you about that in a second, but the feelings of like reservation or that like contemplation of like I don't wanna go, like I'm anxious, I feel like nervous about this thing.

hit me all day and I've never really, I haven't experienced that type of emotion or that feeling towards something in a while. And that like nervousness or that feeling of like what am I gonna do here? Why am I going to this? What am I doing? And all of those kind of hit me at the same time, especially leading up to the event. So like the hour before, like when I was getting ready, I was just like kind of talking myself out of it. Even when I got off the subway to go to this place, like.

I saw it in the map. was like a one minute walk from the subway. And when I got off the subway and like out of the platform, I could see the restaurant and the place that they were holding the event. It was this place in Brooklyn and I could see it. And I like turned the other way and like walked all the way around the block just to make it more time before I had to go in. And when I did eventually go in, there was like a photographer at the front and I took these like three pictures.

myself like I gave like a thumbs up like into the camera and the guy was like nice and like these people like watching to take this picture and I was like what the fuck am I doing so I walked into the event and I just kind of like took a deep breath and Decided that like if I'm gonna be here I might as well make the most of it and I decided to go I talked myself out of all those nerves and the anxiety around it and I was just like you know what if I'm gonna go I might as well go out of my way say hi to people like I'm already here so I'm out of my comfort zone already so let's make the most of it

So then I went in and I talked to the host who was the girl who emailed me in the first place and that was nice. It was nice to see a comforting face or I didn't know her face but a comforting name who knew me and was like, hi Josh and nice to meet you. So that was a nice introduction. But when I got past her, which was the first Bowser of the place, when I got past her I was like, what the fuck do I do now? And I felt like I was just standing in this event where everybody knew each other.

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or people were like talking to people, were meeting people and I was just like, ehh, like I just felt like a lost, like I felt like Wally on like a different planet. I like, I don't know what to do here. I don't really know who to go up to. Like people weren't coming up to me at first. So I went over to the girl pouring water and I asked for a cup of water because it was also really fucking hot out. So I asked for a cup of water and then I chugged the water and she was like, wow, you must be thirsty. So like I just like talked up a conversation with her.

I asked her if I could start pouring the glasses because I needed more water and she's like, no, it's my job. So I started talking to her for a little while and then like once I exhausted the conversation with the girl pouring water, I decided that like maybe I should talk to some of the people from the brand or some other people there and like make some connections. And once I finished the conversation with the water pitcher girl, I went over to like the food table, which is my home ground. Like that that's the place I feel most comfortable at.

And I think this was a good place for me to be, well, most importantly, because there was like mozzarella sticks and a bunch of great food, but also because like, once you're there, like you kind of have a common ground with other people there. So like you can chalk up a conversation with somebody next to you about like the food or whatever, like, I don't know, you could talk about like whatever, because you already have the common ground of the food. Like you're not, you're not just walking up to a random person and being like, hi, I'm Josh, which I, which I did do. And I think is important to also do, but like,

Having a station you can go to or like the water pitcher station or the food station I thought were good common grounds for me to meet more people. So once I was there I said hi to a couple people Introduced myself like said my name why I was there like I still honestly to this day Don't know why I was there, but I was there So I kind of struggle with that introduction. Everyone's like what do you do? So I talked about what I did talked about this podcast and like that was interesting I worked on pitching this to lot of people which I thought was a good thing for me because

My pitch was super rusty for this. Like they're like, what's your podcast? And I said like a different thing to each person. And I think that is also a good exercise of like having to introduce yourself to a bunch of different people and getting used to like that of like, hi, I'm Josh. I do this and this and like this and this. Like, I don't know. I don't even have the introduction for you right now, but like, I think that was a good practice for me. If nothing else came out of this, just to get out of my comfort zone and say hi to new people, introduce myself, force myself to be outgoing.

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And I am a pretty outgoing person, but like that day I just wasn't feeling it. wasn't feeling like I was, you you know how like you're on and then you're off. Like I just felt off that day. My social battery was low that day. You know what I'm saying. And when I started having like conversations with people, I thought it was a good thing to have these conversations without any intention of like getting anything out of it. Like I could tell a lot of people around me were like making connections or like getting numbers or exchanging. Like it just kind of felt like a bit of a networking thing.

And this is that's kind of what this was to like it kind of was a networking event at the same time as it was like a creator or whatever the fuck event. But I wanted to have these conversations without intention of anything, because I thought that would be like an easier way to actually like make good connections. And I think that's a piece of advice I have for anybody listening right now is that going into a conversation without the intention of getting anything out of it, I thought was really important and created a really good like

playing field for me there, where after I did create a good conversation and get to know where the person was from and what they do and what their interests are and like strike up, I don't know, a five to 10 minute conversation, then they became interested in like me and what I do and then like if a connection was good or felt right, then it would be created there instead of kind of going for the connection first. And I have a story coming up, I don't know, maybe now about me trying to

pitch guy set to a reporter, a New York Times reporter, that kind of went horribly wrong. But I think is a really good lesson for me and anybody listening right now is I'll just tell that now. That makes sense. Why would I not have just transitioned into that without having to explain to you why I'm transitioning? So I, at one point, I was kind of just standing there again and

The conversations dry up at one point. You know when the conversation's ending and I'm not gonna keep a conversation going for longer than it needs to. They have their expiration time, their expiration date, and you can feel when the well is drying up, there's nothing else to really say to somebody, a stranger that you don't know and you just met. So you have to get out of it and be like, I'm use the bathroom, I'm gonna get a drink, or you get out of your conversation however you wanna get out it, which is a whole other art to that. I'm not good at it, but I'm always just like, I'm gonna go pee. I'm gonna go get a drink, ah, thirsty.

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I was talking, I was standing there alone at another point, like there was probably four different times where I was just standing there like a lost dog, like I don't know what to do. And each time it got a little bit easier to like look over at somebody and then like encroach on a conversation and be like, hi, I'm Josh, like sorry to butt in, but I'm just like, I wanted to say hi, whatever. And that's not easy to do, but I started getting better at it as the night went on. was like a two and a half hour event, whatever. So I saw this table of people, these...

two to three women that I was just standing there, was like, ah, fuck it, I have nothing to lose, let me go say hi. Sat down next to them and I was just like, hi, I'm Josh, nice to meet you, what do you guys do? One of them was an influencer, one of them was an influencer's friend, and the other person was a New York Times reporter. And she said that, she's like, I work for the New York Times, I work for a bunch of different news, whatever, and I write stories, and I was just like, oh, I would love to pitch you a story.

And that's just like, it just kind of like slipped out of my mouth. And I thought that I was like, like that's what they do. Like she would want to hear a story. I have a pitch. I have something to say. Like that makes for good conversation. And immediately she was just like, like she was just kind of like, like you want to pitch me a story? Like what? And the other girl goes, that's bold. And I was just like, is it like, is that bold? Like, I don't know. Isn't that your job to write stories? Like totally want to write a story. Like, I don't know. And I instantly felt that panic and I was like, is it bold? I.

I'm sorry, like I don't have to, I just wanted to, you said you were reporter, like you write stories, just like thought that would be an interesting thing to say. I don't know, I just, this is my first time doing any of this, like, and I was just like, yeah, sure, like I would like to, but like we can do it later, I could get your name and we could talk about, talk about it later, I could email you. And she goes, well, if you have a pitch, like, she's like, well, that was very bold, so like, it must be good. And I was like, fuck.

I don't have anything good to say, mean maybe I do, maybe I don't, but like I haven't prepared anything to talk to a reporter about. So I pitched my last episode of GuySight, which was an episode with Phoebe Gates, I'll talk to you about that in a second as well, an episode that I did last week. I highly recommend going to listen to that one, I really loved doing that. And I thought that was an interesting angle, like her new company, me interviewing her, her giving work advice, and I just kind of went on this like maybe like a minute ramble about.

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why it was a great pitch for the New York Times. And I could tell like her face the entire time she was just like, no, like her face read no. And the people listening, which was the influencer and her friend were also just like, like, who is this kid and why is he talking? And you know, like the feeling that like when you're about to get up, those people are about to talk about you. That is how I felt while I was still there. So I was like,

I am going to leave this conversation shortly. I'm going to find my exit. But like, this is not a great impression. And I don't know, I just I've kind of royally fucked this up, but I tried. So she didn't really respond. And I was just like, so what do you think? Like, do you have any feedback for me? And I want to say, like, I think that was probably the best thing I said in this small five minute interaction. Total mess of a conversation introduction on my part. But I think that was the best thing I said.

And the biggest thing I wanted to share with you was me saying, what did you think of that? Do you have any feedback? And I think that's something I do a lot in work with my boss or with my CEO. And I've done like throughout my work experience, and I've gotten a lot better at in conversation is asking for feedback. She obviously wasn't going to buy the story. She wasn't picking up the story and she wasn't really responding. So I'm not good with like a lot of space in conversation. So I asked for that and I'm really happy I did.

because she gave really direct feedback and so did the other two people at the table who I didn't ask for their feedback but they gave it anyway and I was like okay you know what like I didn't ask for your feedback but I appreciate everybody here sharing advice to me because like I'm younger I'm you're obviously older not in bad way like happy for all women of all ages but I was just like you know I'd love to hear what you have to say so she basically told me that my pitch just like didn't make a lot of sense and

Then she asked me to pitch my podcast and she told me that was a more interesting angle than what I shared before. And then the other girl told me that like the pitch was a lot of like me, me, me. And I was just like, okay, well, I didn't ask for your feedback, but like I thank you for saying that. And I left that conversation feeling like I should leave this whole event. Like I was just like, I don't know what I just said. I don't know why I decided to pitch myself. But I also knew in that moment that when she said that,

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an opportunity presented itself in front of me. was like seeing something and like you don't pull out your, like seeing something beautiful and like you don't take out your phone to take a picture of it and you wish you had to remember that moment. Like you wish you had that picture to remember that moment. And I felt that way in the moment. I was like, she just presented me with an opportunity. Now will I take it or will I leave this event wishing I had taken it? And that is how I thought about the moment. It was kind of like a split second decision.

And I didn't share that backstory. waited till after the story, because I thought it was kind of a funny story. It was a split second decision in my head of I either pitch this thing to her or ask to pitch it to her, or I leave and think about what could have been if I did pitch. Now, she didn't pick up the story. The New York Times is not going write about me. And they probably never were in the first place. But in the off chance, in the one in a million that they did, or maybe that they do at some time in the future, like,

maybe I set a small brick in that road or like maybe I did something in that moment to be memorable and now at some point in the future, memorable in a good way or a bad way, sometime in the future she'll remember my name or my face from seeing me in that interaction. Like you just never know what can come from those type of things. And if I had just said like, cool, I'm Josh, like nice to meet you all. It was nice to meet you, bye. Like they would have been like, oh okay, just another person I interacted with at the party. But I made an impression, whether it was bold, whether it was bad.

whatever it is, I'm still happy that I did it. And like, that was the interaction that I left the event thinking about most because I was like, I totally blundered that. Like, what a fucking botch. Like, I don't know why I did that. I feel like I put myself out there too much and I felt like they just like weren't like, was, I was just fishing all day, like reeling in and like there was just.

they were not taking the bait. That was a bad analogy. But you know what I mean. Like they were just not interested in what I had to say or who I was. And that's OK. Like not everybody is going to be interested in you or what you do. I'm talking to myself as well right now. They're not all there for you. And what I also realized was that like maybe the influencer was trying to pitch herself to that person too. And like I came in and like totally kind of sidetracked or hurt her conversation. And that could be too. Or that could not be as well. Like there could be a million scenarios there.

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But what I did know and what I still do know is that I had an opportunity presented in front of me and I could have done two things with it. And I am happy with what I did with it. Maybe a year or two ago, I would have not said anything because I wasn't as confident then in myself, in what I'm doing here, in all of this. And I might have left, I probably would have left thinking about what could have been if I did and going back over that scenario in my head and like thinking about the perfect thing to say.

or how to reach back out to her and say something. And I'm really happy that I took that opportunity and I took that moment. And now I know how to do it better for next time. Like, I think I went about it completely wrong. Like I was just a little too like, you write stories? I have a story. Like you try my story. And I didn't say it in that exact way, but like it had a similar energy. Like, you know, my energy level, you know how I can be. And that may not have been the right tone. So I learned a bunch from that interaction. I learned

so much from interaction actually that I came on and talked to you about it for an episode and like wanted to share that story with you because I'm proud of myself for a couple reasons. Like I'm proud that I decided to go to the event in the first place. Like there were so many things in my head holding me back from going. Like the anxiety of not knowing what I was doing there or why I was gonna be there. Like that whole imposter syndrome situation.

and why they wanted me there in the first place. And then there was also the feeling of like, I don't want to go because I don't know anybody. And like, I'm not comfortable in this environment and who am I going to talk to? And I'm going to be standing there alone. And like, what, like, also when I got there, I met some people and they were like, you could have brought a plus one. I was like, what? Like I could have brought someone with me and then not at any of these feelings, but I'm happy I didn't know that because most likely I would have brought a plus one. And then I wouldn't have had this really kind of uncomfortable experience where I

That's like where you grow the most. Like that's where you learn the most about yourself. And when you learn anything about yourself is those moments or those kind of times where you're in a really a spot that you aren't like necessarily comfortable in or a place that you aren't familiar with. And those feelings rise up and you have to overcome them. And you learn that like actually you are OK in those situations and actually you can do that. And like in those situations when you do feel awkward you didn't die like

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You didn't blow up. Nothing happened. Nobody's looking at you being like, why is that guy not talking to anybody? Like he's such a loser. Like why is he here? All those things, all those thoughts, all those feelings like weren't real. And in the moment, like I saw that for myself, like none of that happened. I learned a lot from the experiences I had in the room. And that like Phoebe said this on our last Phoebe first name basis, Phoebe Gates said this on our last episode. She said like, it doesn't matter.

how you get into the room, matters how you act once you're in the room. And I'm proud of myself for not giving up the chance to be in the room, because you never know what could come from it. Like I met a couple people, I made a couple connections. I might have one of the guys from, it was the Atlantic magazine, I might have one of the guys from the Atlantic come on and talk about what they do there and like, I don't know, like you just never know what can come from being there and putting yourself out there. So I'm proud of myself for all of that and

not shying away from the opportunity or closing a door that was seemingly really open. So that's the first thing I wanted to say. And I'm also proud of myself for shooting my shot and not having to look back at that moment and wish I had said something differently or not looking back at that and thinking I should have played it differently. And I'm happy that I did say something because I

I I would rather be anxious about how it went than thinking about how it could have gone if I never did it. Because I did feel anxious after that event and after that conversation. I did actually leave after the conversation. I was like, I'm gonna go. That's my time. I've done enough. I've done enough damage. And it was also like, the event was coming to an end. I don't know, I left. It was time to go. But after that, I felt anxious about what I said and what I could have said better.

But ultimately, I was happy that I took a chance on myself and decided not to just stay in my lane or stay in the comfort zone. And I guess my whole point in saying all of this is to take the opportunities as they come to you. Because whether it's in work, whether it's in life, whether it's in relationships, whether it's in anything in your life in our 20s, like there's going to be so many doors or like...

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in the door that you can finally see in. There's a little bit of light that's finally coming through the door that has felt closed for so long. And when that light does shine through a little bit, it's so much easier to be like, nah, I'm just gonna close that door back up. It's better that way. I'm more comfortable with it closed. Because when it's starting to open, that's uncomfortable. And having to step into that room is really uncomfortable. That's an area you don't know. It's a place you've never been before.

To me, that conversation and this opportunity, I'm making it little bit bigger than they are. But to me, it felt like a little bit of a creak in the door. was the first thing I've ever been invited to. It was the first opportunity I had to meet people in a different company like that and just network myself and introduce myself to people who haven't met me before. And that was really fucking scary, honestly. And it felt like the door was a little bit open. And...

I don't know, like the whole day leading up it, was like, I'm gonna shut that. I'm gonna close that back up because I have always been outside of it and it's more comfortable here. And I decided to step in it. I decided to go and start having conversations with people and just like put myself out there. And maybe that was awkward. Maybe that was uncomfortable. It was awkward and it was uncomfortable. But I learned so much and I learned so much from that experience that I'm gonna take with me probably forever.

I left being like, I'm never going to another event like that again. Like that's too much, but that's not true. Like if another opportunity like that presented itself, I would take it again. I would probably take that again and again because having to do something that was so far out of my comfort zone taught me so much about myself and taught me that like I actually have that resilience that I didn't think I had, or I do have that confidence that I didn't think I had. And I think putting ourselves in those situations is like the best thing we can do for ourselves, especially in this time of our lives.

When an opportunity does present itself to you, I say you take it and I highly recommend taking it and doing the thing that looks uncomfortable or like when you do see that thing that is outside the window or out in another door in another room, like taking it, going for it, taking a chance on yourself and putting yourself out there because you never know what will come from it. And I'm not here to say that like something huge came from this because none of those interactions I had have like presented themselves like I haven't, let me rephrase that, none of the

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conversations I had like became opportunities this week and I think that's okay. Like I'm I'm I think that's my point is that like nothing had to come of any of that for me to take all of this away. Like I'm not here to say I got the story written about myself because I didn't and I probably will not. I know I will not like the New York Times has declined to respond. But there's no happy ending to the story of I got a story or I got this or I got that like

The happy ending is actually that I learned all this about myself that I took a chance on myself and I was bold. the girl, the woman told me I was bold. And being bold isn't a bad thing no matter who tells you it is. And I think being bold about what you want is kind of what it's all about. And being bold about the things you want and the things you want for yourself in life is never a bad thing. It's such a good thing to be bold about what you want.

and to shoot your shot and to go for it and take a chance or take an opportunity and leave it all on the field. Like, why would you not? Being bold is what got me my first job and my second job. And it's what got me into that room at that event. Like, if I hadn't been bold about myself, if I hadn't been bold about the things I wanted and put myself out there, I wouldn't have been there in the first place and had this episode to tell you all about. So I guess all that to say is just be bold about the things you want in life because if you don't, like, there's no chance you'll ever get it.

And if you are, who knows, who knows who can say what is for you. What? Fuck. I really liked that ending and then I lost it completely. Who knows what could come if you are bold about it? Like being bold is what got me the interview with Phoebe, again, Phoebe Gates. So close. First name basis as always. Phoebe Gates last week because she reached out after I posted a video and said like, thank you so much for your kind words. Like that was really nice.

And then I responded back being like, of course, I also have this podcast I'd love to have you on. If you want to talk more about that and your new company, I did a little research before I sent that. And that was bold. Like that just was a total like shot in the dark. was like, you know, whoever knows what could come from this, like she either says, no, I can't, or she doesn't respond or she says yes. And she did like she said, yes. So you just never know what can come from those opportunities.

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another moment right there where I felt like a door opened a little bit where like I got this DM that I couldn't even tell was real at first. was like, why would she be reaching out to me? And I decided to like shoot my shot there and take a chance. And she responded and said, yeah, I'd love to. And then we did an episode and like that that's what can happen from like when you're bold with your ambition or with yourself or with what you want for yourself. And

There's also like a million of those stories that I have, not a million, but there's also a lot of those stories where I have shot my shot and it hasn't led to anything. But there are those times like last week where it does. And then I get to do an episode with her and she was so kind by the way. And that was like such, really such a good episode I thought. And I just think you never know what can happen when you are bold with what you want, whether it's within your job, whether it's for a promotion or like when an opportunity comes your way and...

You have a chance to present your work or present yourself and you have a time to ask for something more. It's like, do you take that ask or do you wish you had taken that ask? The worst that comes from it is they say no, they don't respond or the best is they say yes and it happens. So all this to say is just like be bold with the opportunities that are presented with you and be bold with yourself. You just never know what can happen.

That is the episode. Thank you so much listening to guys that a guy's guide. I was so sweaty, by the way, during that episode was Phoebe. Like I was so sweaty. It was one of the hottest days in New York when we recorded that episode and I walked there, which was the biggest mistake ever. And I carry all my podcast equipment. I'm just like, do do do do like walking to her office to record it. And I show up and the lobby had a seat, but the elevator didn't. And then her office didn't, which was so fucking crazy. And

I was dripping sweat. Like I almost asked to stop the interview in the middle and be like, Hey, I'm so sorry. Like I'm going to run to the bathroom and just like wipe myself off paper towels. Like I could not stop sweating the entire interview. And I mentioned it in the interview and you can't really tell in the video, but I felt so sorry for her to have to look at this like sweaty wildebeest the entire episode because I could not stop. you know, those moments where you're sitting down and then like it gets progressively worse because you're just sitting in one place and like there's nowhere to go.

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And I'm sitting there like asking her questions. I'm trying. I only had 30 minutes. I'm like trying to use the time to best of my ability and ask good follow up questions. But I'm also like wiping off my like lip and I'm just like I was dripping. Thank God I wore the shirt that I wore because it was this dark blue like kind of like athletic type shirt. But it like I could wear it to work type shirt. I don't know where I got it. I got to find out and get like 10 more of those in black because if I was wearing a lighter color like I would have looked like I was soaked. I would have.

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